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 Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 12:11 am Post subject: Working With Scatman Crothers / Coonskin |
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| Hello Mr. Bakshi, I was wondering if you can give us some insight into the experience of working with Scatman Crothers, not only on Coonskin, but on the song you wrote as well. It's an excellent song! |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| I agree - this was a great song. I have always wondered as well...what were Scatman's sentiments on this song? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: Working With Scatman Crothers / Coonskin |
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| Anonymous wrote: | | Hello Mr. Bakshi, I was wondering if you can give us some insight into the experience of working with Scatman Crothers, not only on Coonskin, but on the song you wrote as well. It's an excellent song! |
Scatman was a riot. Very funny, talented man. Told me the most hysterical stories about early Hollywood - playing & singing. His relationship with Barry White was very funny and wonderful. Barry would tell Scatman he cpuldn't sing and scatman would tell Barry he had no voice. Scatman would come by the studio all the time just to hang out. On the way back from Oklahoma State Prison where we did the prison break shoot. Scatman decided that the whole plane needed entertainment so he broke out his banjo and walked up and down the isles singing Niger Man. Needless to say - there were only about 20 of us from the shoot and about 100 others from I don't know where. Everyone loved it - said they loved it - or were terrified of the madman on the plane. The stewardesses, Barry White, Phillip Michael Thomas, Charles Gordone sand all the way back to LA. As we were departing from the plane first - Charles Gordone yelled back to the rest of the plane - "You just heard some great niggerisms" At which point Scatman said let me play em another one - At which point the rest of us - the crew - threw magazines at him and said get off the plane! I won't mention
the airline - we were never allowed to fly on it again.
The wonderful thing about Scatman was that he was best of the old school, understood the new school. And he and Charles Gordone always argued about politics. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| That's some pretty cool insight. All those guys are gone now...incredible how time flies. |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I've got a question for Bakshi. Was it the play "No place to be Somebody" that made you decide on Charles Gordone for the voice of Preacher Fox? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| savior wrote: | | I've got a question for Bakshi. Was it the play "No place to be Somebody" that made you decide on Charles Gordone for the voice of Preacher Fox? |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:21 am Post subject: Re: Working With Scatman Crothers / Coonskin |
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| Ralph B wrote: | Scatman was a riot. Very funny, talented man. Told me the most hysterical stories about early Hollywood - playing & singing. His relationship with Barry White was very funny and wonderful. Barry would tell Scatman he cpuldn't sing and scatman would tell Barry he had no voice. Scatman would come by the studio all the time just to hang out. On the way back from Oklahoma State Prison where we did the prison break shoot. Scatman decided that the whole plane needed entertainment so he broke out his banjo and walked up and down the isles singing Niger Man. Needless to say - there were only about 20 of us from the shoot and about 100 others from I don't know where. Everyone loved it - said they loved it - or were terrified of the madman on the plane. The stewardesses, Barry White, Phillip Michael Thomas, Charles Gordone sand all the way back to LA. As we were departing from the plane first - Charles Gordone yelled back to the rest of the plane - "You just heard some great niggerisms" At which point Scatman said let me play em another one - At which point the rest of us - the crew - threw magazines at him and said get off the plane! I won't mention
the airline - we were never allowed to fly on it again. |
God, that's one funny story I've heard yet! I don't believe you can get away with any of that anymore in today's sad world. 
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| Quote: | | God, that's one funny story I've heard yet! I don't believe you can get away with any of that anymore in today's sad world. |
Here's hoping for the eventual death of rabid PC thuggery.
That being said, I believe you are mistaken. Black people can get away with saying "Nigger" and flaunting racial stereotypes all the time.
It's called "Rap". Just turn to any popular music station.
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| Spazzadder wrote: | | Quote: | | God, that's one funny story I've heard yet! I don't believe you can get away with any of that anymore in today's sad world. |
Here's hoping for the eventual death of rabid PC thuggery.
That being said, I believe you are mistaken. Black people can get away with saying "Nigger" and flaunting racial stereotypes all the time.
It's called "Rap". Just turn to any popular music station. |
I know what you mean. It's just that I really don't like to listen to that anyway (though my younger brother just LOVES it). Music to me these days sucks in contrast to the classics I do listen to, I still have a massic collection of 78s, LPs, 8-tracks, reel-to-reel, cassettes and other formats that are filling up the empty spaces in my house with a lot of older music I feel confortable with. Hardly anyone today interests me anymore. With the internet, and the ability of downloading anything imaginable, I pretty much have it all set without having to feel I have to spend big bucks on anything I can burn to a disc anyway. That's the world the junkies have created! It was just never like this 20 years back and I would have dreams of what kind of future I would be in right now.
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| Sobieniak wrote: |
I know what you mean. It's just that I really don't like to listen to that anyway (though my younger brother just LOVES it). Music to me these days sucks in contrast to the classics I do listen to, I still have a massic collection of 78s, LPs, 8-tracks, reel-to-reel, cassettes and other formats that are filling up the empty spaces in my house with a lot of older music I feel confortable with. Hardly anyone today interests me anymore. With the internet, and the ability of downloading anything imaginable, I pretty much have it all set without having to feel I have to spend big bucks on anything I can burn to a disc anyway. That's the world the junkies have created! It was just never like this 20 years back and I would have dreams of what kind of future I would be in right now. |
Yeah, music today makes me really upset. I see all my favorite bands from the 80s and 90s degraded into mediocre noisemakers for greedy labels. I see there's just nothing new out there but bands created by corporations who release only one single and an album full of filler. It's painful to be into music these days. So I'll stick with my mp3 player thank you very much.
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i love the theme song for Coonskin.. but racial slurs in entertainment are usually expectable.. (comedians.........) its when u use them in everyday life can it offend someone.. reason they prolly re-named Coonskin to Streetfight.. as far as this :
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Black people can get away with saying "Nigger" and flaunting racial stereotypes all the time.
It's called "Rap". Just turn to any popular music station. |
i think thats kind of a rather stupid statement to make.. i personally do listen to "Rap" but most of which is underground Hiphop.. not the garbage u would hear on the radio or MTV.. which does make me sick b/c thats not what itis about: jewlery,bitches, money,cars, & other frivolous shit.. but to say that rappers "flaunt racial STERIOTYPES all the time" and stating that this is done in "Rap music" is a statement w/ NO BASIS.. yes some "Rap" artists say NIGGA in their music.. and? They are not making stereotypes in any song i've heard.. a stereotype would be: "Jews are cheap penny-pinchers" or "Chinks are yellow-belly fortune cookie stuffers" i have never heard "stereotypes" in Hiphop.. sorry to sound like a dick buddy, i just think that comment was silly as hell.. BTW Scatman Crothers is black, as are most rappers that use the term "Nigga," so him saying "Nigger" wouldn't be offensive UNLESS it was derogatory.. which i have never heard a black musician using the word "Nigger" in a derogatory manner..
one more thing u said "music today makes me really upset" it pisses me off.. i HATE THE MAINSTREAM PERIOD. i like mostly older music.. the newer music i like is UNDERGROUND to the fullest.. unheard of shit.. i piss on MTV teenie-boppers..
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| LowerCase wrote: | i love the theme song for Coonskin.. but racial slurs in entertainment are usually expectable.. (comedians.........) its when u use them in everyday life can it offend someone.. reason they prolly re-named Coonskin to Streetfight.. as far as this :
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Black people can get away with saying "Nigger" and flaunting racial stereotypes all the time.
It's called "Rap". Just turn to any popular music station. |
i think thats kind of a rather stupid statement to make.. i personally do listen to "Rap" but most of which is underground Hiphop.. not the garbage u would hear on the radio or MTV.. which does make me sick b/c thats not what itis about: jewlery,bitches, money,cars, & other frivolous shit.. but to say that rappers "flaunt racial STERIOTYPES all the time" and stating that this is done in "Rap music" is a statement w/ NO BASIS.. yes some "Rap" artists say NIGGA in their music.. and? They are not making stereotypes in any song i've heard.. a stereotype would be: "Jews are cheap penny-pinchers" or "Chinks are yellow-belly fortune cookie stuffers" i have never heard "stereotypes" in Hiphop.. sorry to sound like a dick buddy, i just think that comment was silly as hell.. BTW Scatman Crothers is black, as are most rappers that use the term "Nigga," so him saying "Nigger" wouldn't be offensive UNLESS it was derogatory.. which i have never heard a black musician using the word "Nigger" in a derogatory manner..
one more thing u said "music today makes me really upset" it pisses me off.. i HATE THE MAINSTREAM PERIOD. i like mostly older music.. the newer music i like is UNDERGROUND to the fullest.. unheard of shit.. i piss on MTV teenie-boppers.. |
You know, when I wrote that I paused for a second and thought to myself "maybe I should elaborate a little", but then I figured it wouldn't be worth the time. But I'll do it now. I do listen to a little underground hip-hop (Meta - 4, I don't know if you've heard of them) so it's not like I'm totally writing off the genre. Of course my viewpoint is not merited, as I'm a white suburban male... That being said, I was mainly addressing the mainstream when I wrote 'rap', and not 'hip-hop', like you said - the stuff on TV. There's not much to "artists" like P-Diddy but stupid stereotypes. In the years after Public Enemy made it big, it seems like much of mainstream rap has gone from expressions of the power of a race to the parodizing of it. But of course, there are good artists out there that speak the truth about their lives with the means they have, but they are kept out of the popular eye. There are lots of good experimental DJs out there, but as I'm not an authority on hip hop I'll just end this thing right here.
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yea i heard of MEta4.. Rap is Hiphop.. (its the music to the culture of breakdancing, graffiti, & DJ's) but yeah most mainstream rap is trash.. P-Diddy is shit.. but i guess i just didn't really agree w/ the whole "Rap is stereotypes" statement.. "rap has gone from expressions of the power of a race to the parodizing of it" but rap essentially isn't about race.. nor black and WHITE.. its about skills.. its about a creative art form.. its either there or its not.. & its def, not restricted to skin color.. i just found yer statement to be ignorant..
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Ok, I forgot what this topic was about to start with. Stereotyping. I'll agree that the heart of rap music isn't race at all, it's just music like any other. If anything, the heart of rock music is just as black (Chuck Berry) and so is the heart of hardcore punk (Bad Brains) and alternative (Fishbone) all the other 'white music'. But saying that kind of stuff is just plain silly, because there are probably more white/latino/etc rappers than black ones. I was just thinking about how in the 70's and 80s, rappers had to come up with their own styles and experiment, so the music had some real weight, and then when it broke through in the 90's there are a lot more people influenced by it, but in much more watered down and 'stupified' versions of the rap style that make them look silly. That's all...
Watch "Bamboozled", if you haven't already... :)
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